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Points To Ponder Lesson 14

#1 User is offline   drlmorris 

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 10:44 AM

Please enter your answers to the questions given in this lesson here.
Instructor: Master of the Historical Jesus
Founder: The Historical Jesus Project

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:00 PM

1. The Kingdom, as preached by Jesus, is one where God's purpose reigns and which can only come into being through the grace of God. Man can do nothing to bring this about as it is dependent solely upon God's purpose and will come about when He wills it. 'The Kingdoms of this world', however, come into being as the result of human endeavour and exist to promote the interests of particular groups and hierarchies who seek to gain power, predominance and wealth in this life.

2. The Roman Catholic Church maintains belief in justification by faith and by works, that is that faith must be underpinned by a lifetime of good deeds which will be taken into account at the final judgement. This is known as double justification. In my opinion, this is not the same as the 'active'faith espoused by Jesus where the impetus to move mountains and to be a shaker and mover to the benefit of others is an inbuilt characteristic in faith. Both, however, seem to differ markedly from the approach of Martin Luther.

3. Luther was outraged by the way in which the doctrine of good works was manipulated by the church of his day to gain pecuniary advantage and socio-religious influence. After many years of agonised examination of the texts, he articulated the doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone (solafidianism). which stated that, although good works were, of course, to be applauded and recommended, they did not in any way contribute to the process of individual salvation. This brought him into conflict with the church and led, ultimately to his excommunication at the Diet of Worms in 1521.

4. Jesus performed healing miracles by virtue of the power that he received from God and saw himself as an intermediary rather than the primary healer. He reiterated the message that the recipients of this healing grace were helped as a result of their belief that they would be healed and this ws intended to underpin the notion that faith would bring tangible rewards.

5. Reiki and other holistic (complementary) therapies are said to be more effective when the patient has a firm belief in the power of the healer and the underlying spiritual or philosophical justification. This is by no means always the case, however, and many therapies would be said to be helpful of their own merits regardless of the belief or otherwise of the person presenting for treatment.

6. Faith, in this lesson, is defined as an active power of motivation which is positive rather than merely reactive. It reflects our commitment to the person and message of Jesus but also allows us to share in the redeeming grace of God and to use that power to advance the kingdom on earth. This is the fundamental definition of faith as opposed to the debating propositions that generations of theologians and councils have produced and which have often led to schism and persecution rather than to reconciliation and peace.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:43 AM

Your belief in God is the key to the "kingdom" is what Jesus preached not your "good works" as the Orthodox believe. "Good works" to Jesus was your belief in God!

Jesus believed "Faith is action" like stated above. Doing things "altruistically" is what Jesus was referring to, not for gain of the Lords favor. Do you give the hungry man standing on the corner a couple of bucks because he is hungry, or do you give it to him because you are looking for Gods favor?

Because he disagreed with the Catholic churches misinterpretation of the "Book of James"

The "Kingdom Power"

I believe their is nothing to compare,it is the same. The person has to believe that they will be healed by the divine, in order to be healed!

Rhazes, Tai Chi, Kuhuna, Sultan, Shaman, Minister,

Faith is internal!

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 11:00 PM

Master of Historical Jesus - Rev. Lisa A. Morris
Lesson 14 – Points to Ponder
1) Describe the difference of opinion between Jesus’ concept of a “kingdom” versus the worldly powers of his day thought a “kingdom” was supposed to look like.
Maybe Jesus did have an utopist vision and that the arrival of this utopia or “kingdom” would be nothing short of miraculous. Or maybe it was his way of defining it and transmitting his vision to his followers.
It was definitely different than anything the people of his time had ever seen or not even imagined. Definitely one could say that the majority of his followers would not envision it the way Jesus described it and also that the people of his time could not change their ways so drastically so as to transform their present ways and be worthy of living in it. It was difficult to imagine, for the people of his time, for them to be involved in creating such a Kingdom. It would definitely have to come as a gift from God or a miracle, for the chosen ones. Only by God’s compassion for humankind could they obtain it.
I believe that the majority of the people of Jesus’ time would have more easily envisioned the new Kingdom as one where the rulers would be compassionate towards them, and where suffering from the oppression of the rulers would be greatly diminished. Now, the real believers or faithful Jewish (the ones that really believed they were the chosen ones) could have envisioned the Kingdom just as Jesus did.
2) What was the difference between Jesus’ concept of “faith” versus the orthodox Roman Catholic Church’s concept of “faith?”
Jesus’ faith was that of such greatness that one could not only have faith (or believe) in miracles but that your faith could empower you to even make miracles. The orthodox Roman Catholics faith was a more realistic, down to earth type of faith, where the faithful could believe in miracles and others that could make miracles. But for the majority of the faithful is the belief that if you have faith in Jesus or God and what he did and is able to do, one can deal with anything that the person is confronted with. You have to deal with it and work towards achieving the best, hoping for the best and believing that God will help you in your efforts. I do not think that their definition of “faith” was the acceptance that Jesus’ sole purpose was to die for the sins of the world.
3) Why did Martin Luther call the Book of James a “bed of straw?”
He called it that way apparently because he thought the book had no substance. It needed more in depth discussion of principles.
4) By what power did Jesus heal the sick?
By the power vested in him by God and by the faith the person being healed had in the power of God working through the hands of Jesus to heal them. If the person did not have enough faith the person would not be healed.
5) Compare the ancient healing practices of Jesus to the modern day holistic modality of Reiki.
It is the same. And also included in this form of healing you need the intervention of the faith (belief) of the healer and the person being healed.
6) List some ancient and modern healers.
Chiron - In Greek mythology, the centaur, Chiron, was wounded by Hercules. Though he was immortal, it is said that he invented medicine in order to heal himself. He taught Asclepius the art of healing, which became the source of all divine medical knowledge among the Greeks. Chiron was also the teacher of the hero, Achilles, who was thought to have had some special medical knowledge.
Achilles - Achilles kneels and dresses the wound on the left arm of Patroclus who is seated, all within a circular frame; vase painting in black and orange, 5th century B.C.E. (Berlin F2278, Staatliche Musee zu Berlin; photograph by Maria Daniels; Courtesy of the Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz). Many depictions of Greek medicine involve battle injuries, especially of the Heroes. In this noted vase painting, Achilles tends to the wounds of Patroclus.
Asclepius - One of the earliest Greek gods to specialize in healing was Asclepius (known to the Romans as Aesculapius). Healers and those in need of healing invoked Asclepius' name in prayer and healing ceremonies in temples and at home. A healing clan known as the Asclepiads claimed to be the descendants of Asclepius and to have inherited a knowledge and mystical power of healing from him.
Apollo, Eileithyia, and Hygeia - Apollo was often considered to be a god of healing, and in stories such as The Iliad is depicted as the bringer and reliever of plagues. Hera was a protector of women, and she and her daughter, Eileithyia, were often called upon during childbirth. The goddess Hygeia (‘Health’), the daughter of Asclepius, was considered a guardian or personification of health.
Hippocrates - Hippocrates is generally credited with turning away from divine notions of medicine and using observation of the body as a basis for medical knowledge. Prayers and sacrifices to the gods did not hold a central place in his theories, but changes in diet, beneficial drugs, and keeping the body "in balance" were the key.
Galen - Galen was born in Pergamos in Asia Minor in the year 129 C.E. After receiving medical training in Smyrna and Alexandria, he gained fame as a surgeon to the gladiators of Pergamos. He was eventually summoned to Rome to be the physician of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius. Galen spent the rest of his life at the Court writing an enormous corpus of medical works until his death in 201 C.E.
In Egypt, Sekhmet priests seem also to have been involved in the prevention of plagues, inspection of sacrificial animals and even veterinary medicine. Other healers like the zwn.w (sunu) [52] and the zA.w (sau) [53] seem to have had recourse to the same methods and scriptures as the wab. Incantations, prayers to the gods - above all to Sekhmet, the goddess of healing, curses, and threats, often accompanied by the injection of nasty smelling and tasting medicines into the various bodily orifices, were hoped to prove effective.
Justin Ngui - What we need to have is an open mind. The truth of releasing your full potential and increasing your health can only be found by exploring the wholistic you. Using the power of your subconscious and conscious mind, let go of the visible world around you. Take some time and really listen to your own body. The more you are in tune with it, the more it will provide for you when you need it. With this forward sense of mental momentum, you will stand out from the crowd and accomplish things that had seemingly been out of reach. You will alter your being and attain great control over your body's energy. This consequently causes the body to strengthen and develop both internally and externally. Using basic principles and modern adaptation for our busy lifestyle we can use the time tested traditions of Chinese Qigong and Traditional Chinese Medicine to provide us with means for not only healing ourselves, but living our lives to our full potential.
Modern Christian Faith Healers – Christian faith healers or evangelical healers. Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin. They, like Jesus, do not take credit for the healing but credit God to work through them for the healing and the faith of the person seeking cure.
Chloe Garcia Ponce of Brooklyn bases her healing and herbalism practice on teachings from Mayan culture and her Cherokee grandmother. She works with eggs, rolling one on a person’s body while reciting prayers, then breaking the egg into a glass of water to “read” it.

7) In your own words, describe how this lesson defines “faith.”
It is that in which you believe and trust to bring about a positive outcome. If you have a big enough faith you can bring about change, cure, miracle, anything you may want. As the saying goes, faith can move mountains.


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